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Guys,

Well, aw16g #2 has failed to be able to back up three songs now. I just get the "System error" screen with the only action available the sardonic "Oh, I see".

I have been able to export .wav files of finished "masterpieces" (which is the most important thing) but am unable to back up the work files in order to (potentially) upload them again for further work.

I have only really needed to be able to re-load work files for songs that were truly unfinished and for which I had new ideas/input.

But, all other things being equal, I like the idea of having "work files" that could be re-loaded in a pinch and reanimated for further mayhem. So I may have to retire g #2 and move on to g #3 (used, of course), as yet untried and un-recorded upon.

My 1600 is also doing weird things: dropping a bar out of a tune on the stereo track for some reason.

In a perfect world I would be able to procure a mint AW1600 and have it be good for 8-10 years before glitches appeared, but this is not a perfect world we live in.

My 5-year old Mazda has recently decided that the electronic key fob is no longer valid. WTF? My washing machine has also decided to join ranks with my other appliances and refuse to do the rinse cycle properly. In short, my technological world is conspiring to destroy me.

There's always whiskey . . .

Randy

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What process (steps) are you using to back up the work files on the G? The backup utility for the whole project? or export just the wavs (one at a time or the 1-16) option?

As for the 1600 dropping a bar, I have never heard of that problem. Any thoughts on why that section? Is it really a single bar that matches the set tempo, or is it a "random" section?

I would be tempted to follow Robbie's sage advice - reformat !!! Have you ever reformatted that 1600 since you acquired it?

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I think the missing bar was something I Edit/Copied. It has happened a couple of times. I listen to my mix from say, St V3, and there's a bar of something missing. Then I re-load the mixdown scene and try to find the missing stuff so I can just Edit/Copy a fix. But there's nothing missing! I will have to document one of these instances, something I haven't done, so that I can give a full report here.

When I say Backup I mean backing up work files (my tunes typically take two CD-ROMs). The steps I take are CD/Backup/select my song/Execute. The aw16g chugs along merrily and gets to where it says "finalizing" then it just seems to stall out. After an hour I just cancel the process. It's happened on three tunes on this g; I haven't been able to back up songs for a while.

I have never re-formatted the 1600. I have four incomplete songs on there now so I won't do this for a while, heh.

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So it sounds perhaps it is not a section of the song (ie all the tracks - like an old school vinyl record skip - but rather a missing track. so some aspect that you know is there is missing.

I commented extensively on that phenomena in years gone by. It seemed to be related to edit points, as you too suggest.

I found that sometimes if you stopped the playback before or while the missing piece was indeed absent - then pressed play to resume from where you'd stopped - the phantom track returned. I referenced that in this post

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13361&p=145629&hilit=disappearing+track#p145629


I became more careful about edit points and edits upon previous edits and the issue did not occur so often again. I'll try to search some of those posts for better recall.

I did do that and if you use Search keywords - disappearing track - you will see several threads in which that is discussed. Use my name as the author perhaps to limit the search a bit, as others have mentioned it too, of course

As for reformatting the 1600. Projects can be archived via USB and then restored later after a reformat. Reformatting is a stressful decision the first time you do it. I think the phantom track has more to do with edit points than hard disc issues though.

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Giving this some thought - I suspect this was doubly confusing to you, if the first that you noticed it was upon a playback of the two track mix. That mix was recorded that way because the track-in-question dropped out during the mixdown and you didn't notice, I suspect. So, the thread from the link I gave in the above message is discussing (periodic) missing info from a mix-in-progress not a recorded stereo track. If it is missing from the stereo track, it was recorded that way.

As to confusion, I encountered (first realized) the bug during work flow, not as you seem to have realized it first while listening to a stereo track, based upon the section of the original post that I quoted.

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Aha, here's the post where the phantom track is discussed!

Well, I don't really quite know what to do about this. I am not using tempo maps. I am hearing the glitch when playing back multiple tracks (a full mix) - as opposed to a mixed stereo track. Rewinding to right before the dropout and hitting play again results in the section playing (being audible). I'm not sure from the other posts what to do about this.

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As I said in your other thread - avoid the problem by not editing edits on top of or overlapping other edits.

For safety, do your heavy editing on a copy of the track rather than the original. (Sometimes not possible I realize as you get into editing for a small detail before it becomes something more serious as you strive for perfection!!)

I would not let this (possible) glitch hold you back from editing though. Just be careful and stay aware. Remember that if there is dropout on a stereo track, it is there because it was recorded that way during mixdown. The dropout is specific to individual tracks that have been previously (heavily/overlapped) edited.

The workaround is >> Stop/start at any point before the dropout usually occurs. so somehow the RTZ button is involved but I can't tell you why this is so, based upon my experience.

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So, when I get around to mixing this tune, if I hit record and proceed until the section "drops out" can I then hit Stop, rewind to just before the dropout, and hit record again? I ask because doing this on playback invariably results in the missing portion "reappearing".

Of course, trying this will be the proof in the pudding but I thought I would ask ahead of time so that I have some confidence that the final mix will be achieved without dropouts.

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You don't have to wait until you are almost on top of the dropout.

Play/Record >> Stop (immediately if you want) >> resume Play/record (the stop/start will not be noticeable on the recorded Stereo track and the dropout further along should play on this pass)

this workaround should work but let me know if it doesn't work as I have described.

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I've yet to mix tracks down to the Stereo track using this method, but it always works on Playback. Irritating, but not a deal breaker.

I am trying to finish a Santana-esque tune but the vocal part modulates a full step at one point and it's killing me - I ain't no singer.

I have seven tunes waiting on my singers - hope they make a Kitchen Studio appearance soon so I can post some music.

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Keep at it !! Have you experienced that dropout in just one project or are their others giving you trouble??

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It's occurred in the last two tunes I started on the 1600. I haven't done any final mixes of these yet to confirm the start/stop workaround.

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Are you piecing together pieces of various takes to comp a track, or do you punch in/out a lot? Are the tracks that have dropped out received more editing than others?, or is there a section that you worked on more than other sections and perhaps varied in/out points or pasting points, so then the overlays are close in time and so confuse the machine. every punchin is its own separate file segment and called up as needed during playback. ??? All conjecture on my part. as to why the stop/start works around, I have no explanation ... its above my grade, which isn't a very high bar!!

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Hey all. I seem to recall having bits of songs glitching and dropping out and that OPTIMIZING the song helped with this. Be aware, however, that you lose your undo/redo history if you do this. Hope that helps.

Thanks CDA, I will try that and see.

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