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 Post subject: Strumming Wrong
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:53 pm 
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Apparently, I've been strumming wrong all these years! I'm taking (yet and still another) course on playing "Pop" guitar and the instructor changed the way I strum the guitar. Of course, up to this point, I've only gotten to 8th notes... but what he said was interesting.

You want to strike the strings rapidly. Apparently, I've been strumming too slow all these years.

He also wants you to record 2 tracks of mono guitar panning 1 hard left and the other hard right. It does make a difference.

Here's an example that merges lessons from "The Pop Guitarist Survival Guide" and "Melodic Rock Lines" on guitar

Traveler's Rest

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 Post subject: Re: Strumming Wrong
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Apparently, I've been strumming wrong all these years! I'm taking (yet and still another) course on playing "Pop" guitar and the instructor changed the way I strum the guitar. Of course, up to this point, I've only gotten to 8th notes... but what he said was interesting.

You want to strike the strings rapidly. Apparently, I've been strumming too slow all these years.

He also wants you to record 2 tracks of mono guitar panning 1 hard left and the other hard right. It does make a difference.

Here's an example that merges lessons from "The Pop Guitarist Survival Guide" and "Melodic Rock Lines" on guitar

Traveler's Rest


Do you mean two identical tracks panned hard left/right ( the same take, recorded through two mics ) - OR - A copy of a single take (perhaps detuned/timeshifted a bit) - OR - Two separate takes of the same arrangemnt ( for doubling purpose )

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 Post subject: Re: Strumming Wrong
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2 separate takes. So, if you're using 2 mics, you would use 4 channels and record it live twice. Panning the first pass through to the left, and the other to the right.

It doesn't give a detuned effect if your stumming is accurate, it just thickens it. Even though you're striking the strings consistently, there is going to be some variation, and this is what gives it the depth that I've always been lacking with my backing guitar tracks.

Give it a shot and post your examples here and let us tell if we can see the difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Strumming Wrong
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That is absolutely the way to do it. Also, try making one wet, and one almost dry. If you detune one 2 cents flat, that helps too! Eq them a little differently too...

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I think I'm getting better at doubling my rhythm track... I just finished a TrueFire class called "The Pop Guitarists Survival Guide" - I usually take more time to go through, but it was a straightforward class and I was able to get through it in a day.

This piece features the panned rhythm guitar, plus 2 tracks of safe and common extensions to add color.

This is pop

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I recorded two tracks of flattop this weekend, and it made the sound a lot bigger. However, this recording will eventually have vocals, sparse electric guitar, and harmonica added to the mix. I have a feeling that, with a more crowded soundscape, my fat flattop track is going to have to be thinned a bit.

What is your experience with these doubled acoustic guitar tracks in a full arrangement? Does it end up taking up too much space in the mix?

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 Post subject: Re: Strumming Wrong
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You don't have to leave these panned hard left right. Try putting one hard left and the other a bit left of center, or mid left. adjust relative volumes to suit.

As an eg., another trick is to run these two tracks through an effect bus , and pan the output to the right. On the 1600, the effect bus panning is on the very last screen of the effect edit pages ( use the cursor keys to scroll down to these pages if you have not seen them before) . If you set the pan, and also use the High Pass and low pass filters, you begin to control what actually gets through, allowing you to create and carve some "sparkle" in you mix as shimmers will escape the left panned tracks and appear elsewhere in the mix ( for eg.).

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 Post subject: Re: Strumming Wrong
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And don't confuse "depth" with EQ.

When you thicken your guitar, it just sounds more "full". The art of working with EQ means that you choose guitar voicing and modify your EQ so that the guitar doesn't compete with your voice.

When guitarists play "grip" chords or bar chords, there are generally repeated notes and the bass note. Let's look at an E major chord:

E-G#-B... that's all that's really required for you to know it's an E, but when you play it in open position you usually play:

E - B - E - G# - B - E

You can adjust your voicing among other things...

to just the right E-G#-B

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