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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:53 am 
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I want to get a medium price (<$500) multi-pattern (cardioid, omni, figure eight) large condensor for various uses, include mid-side (M/S) stereo recording of acoustic guitar.

I've seen the AKG Perception 400 for $300 and Rode NT2A for $400.

Anyone used these or got any other suggestions?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:15 am 
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hi Ralph,

I like my pearlman TM2 LDC for acoustic guitar (and vocals and piano and harmonica).........I plug it into an a-designs pacifica preamp.

the TM2 is over your budget.......(it's $1000).....but I like it so much I just had to tell you about it. the guy that builds them (dave pearlman) is in sherman oaks, ca............................phone number 818 989 4549.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:32 am 
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In that price , check out the CAD TRION 6000 . It has 3 patterns , and sells new nowdays for around $250 on e-bay new. I sure like mine. To my ears it almost rivals my much more expensive Blue Kiwi. and is almost the same size. (HUGE) :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:19 pm 
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the TM2 only has cardioid and omni patterns.


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Thanks for the input. I decided to go with the Rode NT2A. Reason ..... I'm not sure. :) Hopefully will get here in a couple of days.

I've been doing some recording of a songwriter friend and his buddy and it will be good to have an additional LDC to my KSM32. Also will be my first omni.

I'll never have the mic cabinet that MSG has, but it's getting bigger. :) I'm now up to 2 LDCs, 3 SDCs, 2 dynamics and 1 ribbon. Now I need to record more to justify them.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:00 pm 
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congrats ralph.hope you have lots of fun with it.I've never had a ribbon or a mic that has figure of 8 pattern.........so am quite curious about them..................have read really good things about the ksm32...........I have a ksm9..............I've used it a bit and like it.........but I've got to use it some more to really get a good feel for it...................


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Almost all of my piano recordings are made with ribbon mics nowdays.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:11 am 
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any thoughts on your favorite ribbons for piano msg?.................................................

how about for vocals?................................how about for acoustic guitar?...............I'll likely be picking one up someday.


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I'm using a rather inxpensive pair of Cad Trions. Ribbon mics are rather fragile and don't use phantom power but a good pre makes up for the lower output. I wouldn't use them for high sound pressures micing amp cabs though. Some singers love them. They are making a comeback among engineers as they have sonic charactor all their own,

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:53 pm 
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thanks alot msg................................................I am most of all interested in a ribbon for singing.............................I've read really good things about the cad trions.


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I'm using a rather inxpensive pair of Cad Trions. Ribbon mics are rather fragile and don't use phantom power but a good pre makes up for the lower output. I wouldn't use them for high sound pressures micing amp cabs though. Some singers love them. They are making a comeback among engineers as they have sonic charactor all their own,



Where do they shine? Just curious cause I've never used one...

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IMO they really shine on pianos and some guitars. Vocals are cool to with a medium to higher end preamp.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:02 am 
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mrskygod wrote:
IMO they really shine on pianos and some guitars. Vocals are cool to with a medium to higher end preamp.



Sorry to keep bugging you about this, but is it because of their reproduction of the dynamics of the instruments, the frequency response highlighting a particular sound you are striving for, or a little of both?

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Their flat response , figure of eight configurstion , some tonal responses I can't really explain, and a pair of them do Blumlien mic patterns very well. I think every mic collection should include at least one.

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Very interesting...my curiosity was sparked becasue I think from what I've read, people mostly talk about using ribbon mics on speech. Like TV talk shows and stuff. I don't have a lot of mic knowledge so I try to pick up what I can. I think I'm gonna do some more research on this one. Thanks for taking time to answer my questions. This forum is one of the best I've ever posted on...as long as you don't start calling me a monkey ass face or something like that. :lol:

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just bought one online for $199...based on your recommendation....salud!

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MSG and/or anybody else...

got the trion 6000 today...haven't opened it up yet...need to find out the return policy on mics if its not up to snuff...anyway, I've read a few horrible reviews of late and wanted to get your take on their faults...see below:

#1---"What a truly bizarre microphone the Trion 6000 is. It has a huge hole where the lower mids are supposed to be. The mids are where the essence of the human voice should be - they are badly lacking in this mic.
The off-axis response of this mic is nasty, but the omni pickup pattern is absolutely terrible. Really, it sounds like it's still in figure-8 mode. Sources more than about 30 degrees off axis start to lose the highs until everything over a couple of hundred Hz is gone!
If you are old enough to remember the very first prototype mics to come out of China, you will get some idea of how this thing sounds... really, really bad."


#2--"The Trion 6000 is a dual large diaphragm condenser mic with the typical 3 polar patterns (cardioid, figure-8, omni). The mic is of the lolly-pop design and has a transformer-balaned output stage. I purchased this mic on a bit of a whim as CAD seemed to have some big names talking up their new Trion range.
The first thing that struck me when auditioning the mic was it's high self-noise. The Trion 6000 is easily the noisiest mic I own and is very noisey by todays standards. The mic sounds a little scooped in the mids to me, with an edgey top end, not particularly accurate.
Testing in Omni mode, the mic has some serious high frequency nulls at the sides. I know all omnis will suffer this a little, but the Trion's nulls are particularly apparent. By comparison, my AT4050 is much more linear around the circumference.
In cardioid mode, the mic sounds a little similar to a Studio Projects C1, only thinner, and as mentioned before, with much more self noise.
To my ears, the Trion 6000 is a poor mans Studio Projects C1 (or C3 if you want multi patterns)."


Obviously, mic preference depends on the user and his/her ears...I just wanted your take on these review issues...The problems seem rather glaring...I am unlikely to keep it if I can return it...I need a multipattern workhorse mic in my arsenal in the $200-400 range.

Other factors which may influence your recommendation:

** I don't have a medium or high end preamp but have been looking the RNP and the ART Gold
** My voice is higher than the typcial male voice
** The Trion 6000 was on sale for $199

thanks.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:42 am 
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disclaimer: I've never used one of these mics.

I've read good stuff about the shure ksm44. (I am NOT speaking from personal experience.) but, if I were in your shoes I would think about finding somewhere to try one out. with a little shopping you might find one at not too much over your budget.


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I've read good stuff about the shure ksm44. (I am NOT speaking from personal experience.) but, if I were in your shoes I would think about finding somewhere to try one out. with a little shopping you might find one at not too much over your budget.



thanks....cheapest I found was $600, still outta my price range...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:12 am 
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I got a good deal on a great shure mic, a ksm9 from a company called road dog online. also bought other stuff from them. no problems.

but its still always smart to try stuff out before you buy it if you can.......because you might not like it.

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