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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:01 pm 
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For those of you who master on the G (as opposed to sending the mix out to be mastered), which presets do you like? Do you tweak the compression and EQ, or use the defaults? I assume this will vary depending on the type of music recorded. In my case, I recording a minimalist, acoustic-guitar based record, sometimes with bass guitar, sometimes with harmonica, electric guitar and keyboard. No drums. As of now I'm planning to use the "Soft Comp" preset, and possibly tweak the compression for a little more dynamic range, and reduce the EQ so it doesn't change the sound of the mix very much. Suggestions?

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Hey Denver, How have you been?
Its been a while since i've used the 16G, I've taken a pro-tools class in college, and basically we usually want the compressor to have about a -3 to -6dB of gain reduction.
But like u said, its all up to opinions and taste, but I like to use Vital Mix. 8)

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MitchM2005 wrote:
...we usually want the compressor to have about a -3 to -6dB of gain reduction.


gain reduction? The Mastering presets all boost the gain. I've been deliberately keeping the mixes around -12 to -4 since I known the mastering compression will boost the gain.

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ok. this might be hard for me to explain this..
:lol: it might "boost" the gain but what is really happening is the threshold on the compresser is reducing the original signals transcients by whatever the signal is hitting, thereby causing a gain reduction.
the "boost" that you are hearing is actually the signal AFTER gain reduction being boosted back to the level that the AW16G or your ears are looking for.
This is hard for me to explain, so can somebody PLEASE do a better job!
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Mitch,

We both understand the concept, it's just a terminology problem. What you're referring to is what the G calls the "ratio", that is, the amount of gain reduction per gain increase of the signal. What the G calls the "out gain" is the makeup gain. Since compression by nature reduces the overall gain, you need to apply makeup gain. You can use more makeup gain than necessary to boost the overall level.

So, getting back to my question, I'm curious what range y'all mix in before mastering, and then what you end up with after mastering. Right now my pre-mastered mixes are around -4 to -12, and after using soft comp with modifications, it's around -1 to -8.
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Good question, Rob. I'm jumping in now just to keep the thread alive--I want know more about the G's mastering presets, too. Someone in the forum must have analyzed them in some detail.

I haven't used any of the presets in the past. Since I'm not shooting for high overall gain, I keep things safe by avoiding any overall change to what I've already mixed. But I've been thinking that I should experiment with the presets (SOFT COMP?) and would appreciate anyone's insights.

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i'm not a tweaker.
i've tried all the mastering presets and the only usable one for my purposes is the soft compress.
other channel presets work just fine for me.

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I usually use a very fast attack 0-3 ms and fast release too 55 - 65, with a low ratio rarely more than 1.7:1. The trick is often in the Knee level chosen. Listen to the effect of increasing, decreasing the knee

As long as you are not trying to seriously limit, the 1600's compression on the stereo track can do some ok things it seems, but not as a limiter. The EQ presets seem to have low (wide) Q and modest cuts gains, and this is good for me sometimes, but I often leave the EQ off on the stereo track. I occasionally will put a very low HPF on the stereo EQ.

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The piano presets are in the ballpark. The compander is good for some synth tracks but I do everything else externally.

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The only preset I've had much luck with is the SOFT COMP one, but I've not tried tweaking any of them.

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Thanks for the helpful feedback, lads.

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I've had decent results with three or four of them, but I tend to get in there and tweak a bit. Soft comp does seem the most useful right out of the box. Can't recall for sure the other ones that worked for me, but it seems they were soft attacky, dark/soft, and limiter. I just start applying them one by one as the mix plays and see what sounds good on that song, then start tweaking the best sounding one. Vital mix is a bit of a disaster, but sounds pretty awesome the first time you slap it on a hard rock mix.....until you start to listen a little closer. :?

Of course, take my opinions with a major grain of salt. I turn on my monitors and seriously play with mastering presets once or twice a year, at best. :D


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I usually do thickly layered guitars played aggressively so my preset of choice is hard limit, which just destroys the mix and jacks it up high high high!

I dont know, I need an engineer. too many hats jeesh

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My problem with the presets has been when I master 4 or 5 songs with the same preset, they still come out uneven. I much prefer to import them into Waves where I can really tweak and even them up....

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8) I kind of like messing with ALL of the mastering algorithms and presets. My drum box has a gaggle of FUNK type beats--some good and others really strange. I have just done a couple of tunes with funk beats and wanted to get them to an intense level without clipping. Found that the HipHop setting is the one I like for bringing the levels up to match music of this type. HipHop is also interesting to use on a vocal as it "really" puts the vocal up front.

Kind of fun to rattle the six speakers in my car system once in a while.

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