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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:45 pm 
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Hi, I am a new user here. This is my first post. I am really, really upset with Yamaha for what appears to be an asinine change made from the Aw16G to the AW1600. Here is the problem. I have always used the AW16G to record at my rehearsal facility, where there is no computer. I would record and then export the WAV files to a CD. Then I would take the CD home and import the WAV files to Sonar, on my PC. Recently, I decided to upgrade to the AW1600. I thought, "Wow, TWICE the disc space, a USB, etc... sounds good!" So I sell my AW16G and get the AW1600. Last night was my first night of recording with the AW1600. I like the buttons a bit better, it's all good with the recording... THEN, I go to export the WAV files and, to the best of my knowledge, I CAN'T!!!! :evil: Why in the world would they do this? This renders the unit virtually useless to me... I really, really need to be able to export WAV files to a data disc and burn with the AW1600 like I could with the AW16G.

My question is this: Before I sell the AW1600 and go back to the AW16G, IS there a way I can burn WAV files to a CD? I tried the "backup" burn function, but that doesn't seem to be the ticket. Any insights?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:46 pm 
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thats interesting, i dont know the answer.
someone will. give it an hour or two.

but that does suck. you have to be able to..that would be a ridiculous thing if you couldnt

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:29 pm 
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Why don't you just connect the AW to your computer via USB and transfer the files, or is this not an option for you?

To be honest I've never tried to burn a Wav file to disc like your talking about...it's much faster via USB and you can also transfer 24-bit files that way.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:30 pm 
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EXACTLY! I'm so frustrated with the apparent stupidity of this option not being available on the AW1600... I'm just crossing my fingers that there is a way to do it... [-o<


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:43 pm 
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Welcome to the forum, Widetrack. I am sure you can one way or another export to wav.

Look in the manual, the first page of chapter 12 (page 127 - track editing). On the bottom of the left column it says "export to wav". On page 135 and 136 it is explained.

Please let me know if this helped.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:48 pm 
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Hi wide track,

Widetrack wrote:
EXACTLY! I'm so frustrated with the apparent stupidity of this option not being available on the AW1600... I'm just crossing my fingers that there is a way to do it... [-o<


Maybe the experts will correct me, but this is one way you can do it:

1. Backup the song to a cd (in my german manual it is described at page 152, will be the same in the english manual I hope)

2. Copy the wav-files from the exported track from cd to your computer (the filestrucur of the song is described at page 144, again the german manual)

If you connect the aw via usb you only have to do step 2.

Hope it helps
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:50 pm 
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Andreas, a backup does not contain wav files. Or is the AW1600 different from the G in this? For further editing on a PC, a backup file is of no use (except for the 2816 format, which you can use to extract the track data using awextract).

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:52 pm 
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Hi Robbie,

:blob2: :blob3: :blob4: :blob5:

you have been seconds faster again! He wants to export to cd!
Like I understand the description of my aw1600, the complete song-files are backed-up. For my understanding it includes the wavs, but have not tried it. I always use my notebook and usb!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:55 pm 
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Widetrack wants the separated track information. You don't get that from a backup file. A backup file is in G/1600 format which is only understood by the machine. Separated track information can be obtained by extracting to wav as described in the afore mentioned pages of the manual, or through the usb connection (through the transport folder). I have no practical experience with the latter.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:00 am 
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Hi,

Robbie wrote:
Widetrack wants the separated track information. You don't get that from a backup file. A backup file is in G/1600 format which is only understood by the machine. Separated track information can be obtained by extracting to wav as described in the afore mentioned pages of the manual, or through the usb connection (through the transport folder). I have no practical experience with the latter.


@Robbie: even tried it, you are right!

@Widetrack: never hear to a newbie like me, Robbie described the right way. Sorry for the wrong try!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:13 am 
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Robbie wrote:
Widetrack wants the separated track information. You don't get that from a backup file. A backup file is in G/1600 format which is only understood by the machine. Separated track information can be obtained by extracting to wav as described in the afore mentioned pages of the manual, or through the usb connection (through the transport folder). I have no practical experience with the latter.


OK, I'm a little confused... I did try burning to WAV, as I mentioned. This does not work, as far as I can tell. Page 136 of the manual instructs how to transfer WAV files to a PC only.

I recorded 7 tracks altogether and burned a backup CD. I then opened the TAR file that was on that CD with Winzip on my PC. About 50 WAV files of various sizes were what I ended up with. I'm not sure, but it seems that this is still not the way to do it... anybody ? :?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:18 am 
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Hi Widetrack,

Widetrack wrote:
Robbie wrote:
Widetrack wants the separated track information. You don't get that from a backup file. A backup file is in G/1600 format which is only understood by the machine. Separated track information can be obtained by extracting to wav as described in the afore mentioned pages of the manual, or through the usb connection (through the transport folder). I have no practical experience with the latter.


OK, I'm a little confused... I did try burning to WAV, as I mentioned. This does not work, as far as I can tell. Page 136 of the manual instructs how to transfer WAV files to a PC only.

I recorded 7 tracks altogether and burned a backup CD. I then opened the TAR file that was on that CD with Winzip on my PC. About 50 WAV files of various sizes were what I ended up with. I'm not sure, but it seems that this is still not the way to do it... anybody ? :?


There are so many wav-files because some of them are undo-files I think. If I am right you have to optimize the song before backup, so the undo-files will be erased.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:32 am 
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OK let's wait until someone comes along having practical experience. We must be overlooking something small.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:37 am 
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Hi,

Robbie wrote:
OK let's wait until someone comes along having practical experience. We must be overlooking something small.


I studied the manual again. Seems, there is no way other than create a backup and extract it like Widetrack wrote.

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I don't there is a way to directly save as WAV to CD on the 1600. However, do a backup in AW2816 format and use the free AW-Extract program on your PC to produce WAV files from the backup CD. I think you will also get all the virtual tracks this way.

Find it (AWX266.zip) at:
http://docs.dijonstock.com/

(I see I repeated Robbie's post info, but at least I gave you the location for AWExtract. :) )

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Can I get another shout for the USB port.... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:22 pm 
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OK, so I burned a backup CD and then unzipped it. Now the problem is that the files are not like the usual WAV files where you just import them into Sonar and they line up automatically. Now they are just the length of the duration of when the record button was active.

SO, should I sell the AW1600 and go back to the AW16G? The deciding factor is being able to export WAV files from the machine with no PC. ANY way to do it?


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I don't really think so. I remember this piece of the learning curve when I got my 1600. I was familiar with the G from some long term rentals. You have to take the waves from the transport folder, and you have to read the folder from a computer via USB. I assume Mac or PC. This is a shortcoming of the machine. Would have been nice if they'd left the original utility when adding the USB. One thing you can do I believe is export all the active tracks (no virtuals) at once to a folder that will be seen in the transport folder as a single item. Copy it to the PC and you should have all your tracks in one procedure.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:44 pm 
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LOL Ok, I guess I need to familiarize myself more with this unit because I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Can you break it down for me a bit more, please? Thanks so much for the help.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:57 pm 
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One other possibility would be if there is a way to use a small flash drive to extract the WAVs from the AW1600, via the USB option. I know this is probably not possible - that the only way to get the WAV files is to hook the AW1600 up to a PC and transfer the files that way - but I thought it would be worth asking.

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