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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:42 am 
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Ok, me and the bassist have been having a debate I beleive the overheads should be about 2 drum sticks high, from the snare (read that somewhere) as he believes that they should be as high as the mic stand goes.

What's the genral rule of thumb I know opinions may vary but this will give me an idea of what to do.

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The "two drumsticks from the snare" thing sounds like the "recorderman technique" that is well regarded over at homerecording.com. That's the approach I used and it worked out quite well. Go there and do a search for it - there's a bit more to it than that, but it's a greta place to start.

I'd imagine the answer is dependent on a lot of things, especially the sound of the room, how high the ceilings are, and how much room sound you want in the overheads. My own opinion is that "as high as the mic stands will go" is pretty arbitrary. Does he really mean to say "as high as possible?" I get the impression that most people doing home recording don't have the luxury of recording in spaces with really high ceilings, and that overheads being in the 2-3 stick range above the snare is a pretty common approach.


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He means as high as the mic stand will go. I'm recording in a really small space with 2nd hand carpet on the walls, so yeah there's not really that much room ambiance.

I think the 2 drum stick in a cross motion like this > \ / < Is what they recomended that way I'm not going directly over the cymbols.

is this correct or have I miss construed the whole situation?

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Again, I'll suggest you go to homerecording.com and do a search for the "recorderman technique." Also, there are a number of articles on drum miking here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030205013023/www.studiocovers.com/articles7.htm


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:41 pm 
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hey whats up. im a budding drummer as well as everything else and i have found that placing one mic on the bass soundhole and two "overheads" right next to each ear wrks just fine.

i have an sm57 next to my right ear.."hearing" my floor, ride, 2 crash, china...and then i have an I-5 next to my left ear hearing the snare, hats, etc.

ill run each mic thru a tube pre,...and play dynamically suitable volume wise accordingly so i am PREMIXING as i perform as not to have to turn my drums way down in the mixdown and lose the energy.


setting the mics up as my own ears config makes good sense to me...unavaoidable as it may be to get the tom meaty and the cymbals swishy crispy, but instead a balancing act of actually playing each part of the kit for a while b4 hitting record to get the maximum sound and knowing how to "hand"le them.

by the way, screw the drumssticks, use your hands and the dynamics will be that much easier.

moleste your kit and be vigilant and u should have a good source to work with later.

just an idea. u never know


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 Post subject: Re: ear shot never hurts
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:23 pm 
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joel wrote:
by the way, screw the drumssticks, use your hands and the dynamics will be that much easier.


Yes, but. . . . ouch! Doesn't than kind of get painful after about the second chorus?

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 Post subject: Re: ear shot never hurts
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CareyCorson wrote:
joel wrote:
by the way, screw the drumssticks, use your hands and the dynamics will be that much easier.


Yes, but. . . . ouch! Doesn't than kind of get painful after about the second chorus?




no pain no gain. thats half tru :lol:


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I dunno about the "2 drumstick" rule.........That seems awfully low. I'd be smaking the overheads whenever I crashed a cymbal :D


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Spi-fro wrote:
I'd be smaking the overheads whenever I crashed a cymbal


Wif yo fro bro?


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SPISHAK wrote:
I dunno about the "2 drumstick" rule.........That seems awfully low. I'd be smaking the overheads whenever I crashed a cymbal :D


Not to mention when ya twirl yer drumstick up in the air!! HELLL YEAH!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Mr. Bill wrote:
Wif yo fro bro?


My cymbals are higher than 2 drumsticks distance from snare. The rule a soundguy told me was both mics should be the same distance from the snare, be 2 or 4 sticks :cya:


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Painter wrote:
Not to mention when ya twirl yer drumstick up in the air!! HELLL YEAH!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


I keep an extra pair of sticks in my fro.......along with a blunt \:D/ :-$


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I thought all modern drumsticks were blunt. :D

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SPISHAK wrote:
I keep an extra pair of sticks in my fro.......along with a blunt \:D/ :-$


Hmmm, that adds some flavor to the thread-title... :lol:

Jam session? You bring the fro, I'll bring my wannabe-jamaican-accent :D .

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:14 am 
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Hello!

Im new to this forum, just bought a AW16g which Ive down sized from a Roland VS2400.

I haven't tried it yet but this youtube link give a nice way of using 2 overhead mics to pickup your kit- It uses the 2 stick method and gives an idea of panning-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IiFOD1EeKhQ

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Just gotta get some decent mics! Would you consider shure or Sennheiser mics?


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Welcome Gaz. Enjoy the forum.

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gazz5467 wrote:
Just gotta get some decent mics! Would you consider shure or Sennheiser mics?



Welcome. I've never had a problem with Shure. The SM57 would the a great mic for drums. With that said, there are several decent drum mic sets out there for a reasonable price. Hook them up to the various drums and overheads, grab a reasonably priced mixer, connect to a stereo pair on the G and you're on your way.

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