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 Post subject: CAD 4-Pak mics... $99
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:26 am 
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My local music store and Musicians Friend is selling a CAD 4-pak for $99. I've been trying to find reviews for them on the web, but haven't been able to find anything useful.

I currently X-Y mic my drum kit overhead, and would like to reinforce the sound with mics for the snare, toms and kick.

Any opinions?

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Cin,

I think this week has reinfored my beliefs in several things.

There ain't no fairy princess , Santa Clause , or good cheap microphones. :lol: :lol:

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I haven't purchased yet... a little research has shown that EVERYONE is selling them at that price. I don't feel special any more.

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I've always been of the mindset that you are better served in the long run by buying drum mics individually. Personally I would graduate to a 4-mic setup at this time if I were you. Get an SM57 for the snare and a decent bass drum mic and get proficient using them before worrying about the toms.

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Another 2 cents..........

When all the guys were here , I thought I did a good job micing the kit with 3 mics. '61 set 'em up and I "ran the board" on 'em. However I was humbled upon playback when Ross (Tudan) walked over and cut about half of the bass drum fader in relation to the others. :oops: Before this time I had been putting way too much bass drum mic in my mixes. Pretty cool to have a pro drummer show me how it's done.

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 Post subject: Amen Geno
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Geno,

I wouldn't feel bad. Ross sure does knows how to mix his kit.

I was a little skeptical about getting a stereo .wav of his full drum mix when we first started collaborating, but the first time I dropped his mix into my "bed tracks" it fit perfectly.

He's offered to send me individual tracks so I have more flexibility in the mix but the fact remains that he is far better at making his kit sound good than I am. I do sometimes clone his stereo .wav, compress the heck out of it, then mix a tad of that with the original for a little more punch from the snare & kick.

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Bartman wrote:
the fact remains that he is far better at making his kit sound good than I am.


No kiddin!.......I watched as he fixed a snare with a piece of string until we could get to BC to get a replacement. It was a pleasure to watch Ross and Don both get those drums "just perfect" They were like a couple of pit bulls working on them. It was really easy to record either of them once the kit was set up . I guess what I'm trying to say is , if the kit sounds good , it's much easier to record no matter how many mics you use or don't use. I really learned a lot watching and listening to them. It's helped me to know what sounds good and doesn't in fake drums. I wished I could hang around a real drummer more often.

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Hey Peeps.

Geno has a good ear for drums as does Don, however as a drummer I thought I would put pen to paper and give you Drum sound according to the Michty TuDaN.

The one rule to always remember is “whatever works for you is correctâ€


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tudan wrote:
For a huge sounding snare double mic it with another SM57 miced on the underside of the snare.



Do we phase reverse the top and bottom Ross?

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Geno, Dont phase top snare, Only reverse phase bottom mic.


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tudan wrote:
Geno, Dont phase top snare, Only reverse phase bottom mic.


Yeah that's what I meant. :oops:

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Instead of the mic pak, I'd probably go for an SM57. In combination with a couple of overheads, that would be a good place to start. The SM57 works great for snare and in some cases bass drum as well. And it's great for micing amps, and even vocals at times, depending on the singer. It's just a great multi purpose mic.

IMO, the best advice ever for recording drums is to get them sounding as good as possible from the very beginning, and try to record in the best room possible. For me, that's a relatively live room, because I prefer a live ambient sounding kit. But that will vary depending on taste and what style music you are working on. How you mic the drums might also depend on the particular drummer you are recording and his or her style.

I'm still learning every day in terms of recording drums at home, especially now having the luxury of more simultaneously tracks! But in my pre-G days I got some surprisingly good results with just one mic. In that case, it would almost always be an SM58 up and over the right shoulder of the drummer pointed down in the direction of the snare,allowing the drummer’s body to create a baffle for the hi-hat. And that placement also works well as an ambient mic, if you are close micing the kit. I am no doubt a minimalist, but in terms of micing drums, less really can be more sometimes.

Thanks for sharing your methods with us, Tudan. Could you please tell us what kind of preamp you use in front of the G for recording your drums? And do you use an external compressor or the one in the G? Thanks.


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