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 Post subject: Cures for muddy bass?
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Ok, so we recorded this guy's bass direct and it sounds like mud in the mix. I'm thinking of taking it out to my bass amp, micing it and mixing the result with the original direct signal. Other than that, any ideas on making those bass notes a little crisper? I'm reading the other articles related to bass in this section but I was wondering if anyone has any other tricks.


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I learned this by talking to the sound guy for Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. (The Flecktones are a jazz quartet that features bass virtuoso Victor Wooten)

Whether I see them inside or outside large or small venue they always sound really good.

When I asked him what the secret was... he said - they cut the bass frequencies. That's right, bass guitar with the bass trimmed out.

Try removing some of the low end.

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This is exactly what I was going to suggest upon reading the title to this thread. Roll off the low end.

Set to a HPF. Start about 100Hz or so, and slowly back off towards the low end.

Other things that help...give a bump to about 2K. A touch of plate reverb is nice too.

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I use a pressure washer on my muddy bass , then run it through tube pre amp :o

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Upon further reflection... I've never seen a muddy bass...

Change fishing holes?

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DCinFrance wrote:
This is exactly what I was going to suggest upon reading the title to this thread. Roll off the low end.

Set to a HPF. Start about 100Hz or so, and slowly back off towards the low end.

Other things that help...give a bump to about 2K. A touch of plate reverb is nice too.


Chances are the muddy bass is really just the bass and the kick fighting for space in the same frequency range. The only suggestion I would offer is sometimes a narrow boost around 800K can spice up the attack/articulation of the note. This is how I send my bass to big PA mixes, and it really helps...
Elsewhere there are great posts about carving EQ space with counterintuitive tricks like-want more guitar, turn something else down, and my favorite, the best way to add bass/highs to a track may be to take it away from another track...plenty of experst around to help with this...

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Off Topic.........

Man that kid is growin ! :shock:

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Great ideas, folks. I'll try them (except for the pressure washer (-:) and let you all know what worked.


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Run it thru a tube pre if you have one around. My Fender sounds killer like that.

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I gave the bass a boost at about 700Hz, cut below 100Hz, and backed way off on the attack of the compressor. I also removed a lot of bass from the guitar tracks. This all helped but it's still a bit muddy.

I think part of the problem is my perception of the level of bass through my monitors. When mixing, I don't hear the bass too well but when I get the CD in my car the bass is overpowering. It's not the car stereo, either, I don't think. I keep the tone controls flat. Bass is heavy on the stereo at home, too.

I think the next time I attack this mix I'll just knock a couple db off the bass track and see how that works. Time to trade in the old ears, maybe.


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Could be your room as well. I think it was Stick Pony Rider that actually had the bass disappear on him, depending where he was in the room.

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