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 Post subject: DI'ing Guitars
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:29 am 
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Does anybody use the HI Z for recording electric guitars?

What is the best method?
I would have thought that to get your own sound you would have to mic up your amp?

Anybody got good results by going direct in? and if so do you record it dry then put the effects and Reverd etc on afterwards?

Maybe all this has been covered already?

Any help welcome.... :D

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If memory serves, a couple us have found a couple useful settings using the Hi-Z method. For the most part though, I think we mostly either mic our amps or use PODs or similar devices.


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I have Hi Z'ed my mandolin with excellant results. I also Hi Z'ed both of Don's Taylors , also with good results. The bass also works well direct.

Electrict guitars ? naaaaaaaaaa :roll:

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The results when using the amp simulations with the hi-Z input are mediocre at best. I'm speaking of electric guitar here. Geno has clearly had some good results on the acoustic side.

If you try it, don't be afraid to get into the edit screen for the amp sim and tweak it around. Most people get better results after some editing of the presets. I've also found that layering multiple guitar parts using different amp sims helps one to cover up the other's defects. :lol:

I think external amp modelers like the POD are clearly better than the G's amp simulations, and throwing a mic on a good sounding amp is even better still. It all comes down to what you have to work with, both equipment and time, and what you have working against you - family/housemates, neighbors, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:09 pm 
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I don't think you can beat miking a guitar cabinet.

Now as others have said, bass guitar can sound real good DI'd.

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I think I'll stick with micing up the ENGL for now then.

Do some experimenting later...

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The Hi-Z is not direct injection (DI), it's just an impedence match for the guitar's output. I've used it once because I wanted a dry sound on a Strat and got it. Other than that, I have only used the PODxt which has balanced out (an active DI not only converts impedence but also puts out a balanced line), or my buddy's shitty pedal (he loved it) and that into a DI to run a balanced line back to the table. We've otherwised never mic'd an amp.

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So if I'm going out from a multi effects pedal.
Where would I input that?
Into the Hi Z or just a standard input? :?:

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Standard input usually, but check the specs on the output of the pedal.

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JM wrote:
I think external amp modelers like the POD are clearly better than the G's amp simulations, and throwing a mic on a good sounding amp is even better still. It all comes down to what you have to work with, both equipment and time, and what you have working against you - family/housemates, neighbors, etc.


Agreed, athough I prefer the old Johnson J-Station to the original POD, especially for jazzier tones. With some processors, like the J, you could also use the G's digital input for a *possibly* cleaner sound. I once discussed this option with my Yammie tech guy (Ed Blackmore in L.A.), who told me that such processors are simply too noisy to benefit from the G's digital in, that one of the regular 1/4" ins would suffice.

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I just hooked up a digitech bad monkey overdrive pedal that a friend of mine gave me to the G and was blown away by the results of the pedal and the modeling together.
The bad monkey is an anolog overdrive (kinda tube screamer-ish) that sounds great on top of a tube amp. I was reading the manual (lol you can tell im a chronic manual reader when i read the manual for a 4 knob pedal) and I noticed that A: it is an analog pedal..... which is good in my book, the batteries last longer :) and B: Its got a 4X12 cab simulator output jack that i didnt even notice looking at the actual device. Hooked it up (guitar to the pedal-4x12 simulated out to the G) and experimented with a couple of the amp models and parameters and was able to get a really tube like tone... keep in mind I GENERALLY HATE MODELLING AND DI GUITAR SOUNDS (you might have seen me rant before) but this really had a 'feel' to it like tubes.

For anyone who doesnt already own a pod or other device like that, and wants to do some silent recording (my wife likes to sleep at night) this method really works well and ITS SUPER CHEAP.


If youve already got a modeller, or dont care about silent recording, pick one of these pedals up for a nice boost on your tube amp.*












* I do not work for or am affiliated in any way with digitech.

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One other option (if you have room) is to always record a clean DI safety track along with micing your amp.

Hearing the guitar amp tone while you record can keep you performance more inspired on the clean track even if you don't use the guitar amp track from that take.

The clean track will give you some mixing options later;
1. Reamp the track to another signal chain, guitar amp, microphone combination after you can hear it with the rest of the mix. Now you can combine the two tracks or replace one.
2. Mix a little clean DI in the background.
3. Run the DI signal only through effects, verb etc or used different effects.

I am still working on getting the tone I want recorded through the mic etc but I like to keep the DI signal clean and undistorted for more flexibility down the road.

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