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is there any professional tips and or ideas for making my guitar sound different from the left side hard panned to the right side hard panned?..maybe some EQ tricks, miking tricks, amps setting?...give me anything..please!!..I'm using a gibson les paul black beauty.

I'd record the guitar dry to a mono track, and then copy the that one to the next track. Apply effects, eq, whatever you want on the first track, and different effects on the second. Pan the first one hard left, the other one hard right. Then, make a submix. The result will be on the stereo track, copy that to any paired track.

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... also put a some ms silence to the start of one of this tracks, so one guitar is playing some ms later!
But the real deal and harder to do is play the guitar part twice (Doubling) with different amp settings and you will be amazed about the result if it was done well!

Andreas

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The parts will only sound different if they ARE different. I like playing the same chords in different neck positions or inversions.

Want to make your guitar parts sound bigger, more interesting (different)? Play counter rhythms and/or counter melodies.

If you want the Phil Spector wall of sound.....erm, sound, then you need to double, triple, etc your parts on both sides. Use different settings, amps or effects like Rob & Andreas suggested.

Gary

If you do as Andreas wisely suggests (re inserting 3-7 ms at the beginning of one of the tracks) so they are playing at slightly different times, don't be surprised if this affects your perception of the pan you set up. Your brain locks on to the first thing it hears. so if two tracks are identical, your brain will perceive it to be coming from the location first encountered. But from the reading I have done this perception varies with the frequency too. Low lows and upper mids > highs do not cue directionality in the same way as do the mids.

this is why the settings and filters on your verbs are so important to the stereo picture you create.

This is ameliorated somewhat if you use different EQs/effects/ amp sims on the two identical (but one delayed) tracks. You will know the sound when you hear it. Just fiddle a bit, and then try to remember approximately what you did to get there, as the techniques may (or may not) work the next time.

On a slightly different topic -...

I have never done this, but I once read of recording an amp's output in a separate space from the artist, while in the "quiet space" where the artist is tracking - mic and record the strings of the electric guitar (ie unamplified) - for use further in the production process. Any ideas as to why this concept may or may not be of use?

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Byron

I've never done it but intuitively would only see it as useful (on most electric guitars) if the captured sound was heavily effected after the fact, then mixed back in to add....whatever it was you were trying to add.

Now if I still had my ES-335, THAT would be interesting.

Gary

I've actually done this in a roundabout way.
I miced the neck of the silent, dry electric guitar and had a signal also split going direct through the proper effects to another track.
I was able to obtain a clean and defined electric strum without the harsh volume that kind of compresses with the pickups in those delicate situations.
Kind of a perverted acoustic guitar trick. It's a good one too!

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Can you post a clip so we can hear how it sounds?

I've had some luck with my acoustic 12-string by using two mics - one aimed at the bridge and the other at the neck at about the 12th fret. I panned one hard left and the other hard right. The sounds are different enough that it gives a nice stereo effect even though both mics are picking up the same performance. If you want to hear it, go here (facebook), find the player, and listen to 'Just Once More'.

Gary, unfortunately, when I did the expiriment, it was for a string of disposable ideas that I have since deleted.
However I do recommend trying it as I plan to, once I find an application that needs it.

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The guys are right when they say you should play it a couple of times. Make the main track sound just how you want it, then change your eq on your amp, and play it again exactly the same. Make one wet and one dry, whichever way you like it. It'll sound PHAT. I like three, the main yummy quitar sound in the middle, two very differently eq'd sounds left and right.

I'm not a huge fan of the delay thing. The fact that the tracks are unique will give you naturally some tiny delay that fattens up the sound.

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