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 Post subject: Mic placement for vocals
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:02 pm 
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I have my first studio session for the new year lined up. It's a group called Tapestry that I've recorded before at the gig that I had at the church.

They were pleased with the work that I did, so they want me to help record their new project.

Recording vocals is my weakest link... I think part of that has to deal with my vocal placement.

I was reading an article that said that the condensor mic should be placed 18 to 30 inches away and slightly above the singer pointed with the primary axis aimed at the singers mouth.

What are your tips/tricks for laying down a solid vocal track?

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Condensor mic? The room is important. On my latest recording, the vocals suck because of the acoustic behaviour of the room. And for many other reasons, but the room is one of them.

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18 - 30 inches seems a little too far away from the mic unless maybe your in a vocal booth. i usually do about 12 inches. i create a 3 sided blanket vocal booth that is about 3 feet wide. i raise the mic so that the singer has to raise their chin just slightly above parallel to the ground.

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Thanks.

I plan on using the AKG C 3000 B. The mic placement suggestion was on their website:

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1. Vocal Pickup: The best recommendation here is to place the C3000 slightly above the singer at a distance of 18 to 30 inches. The microphone should be angled downward so that its primary axis is pointed at the singer's mouth -- but be careful that the singer does not create any wind turbulence at the microphone. Use a nylon pop screen
if necessary. For normal vocal recording, the proximity effect of a cardioid is actually part of the sonic picture, especially with female vocals. With male vocals, do not hesitate to roll off the LF response with the bass cut switch on the C3000 if it produces a better sound.


All pointers welcomes tho.

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i use a c3000 and c3000b as well.
i probably read that same thing at some point.
i keep the low end rolled off all the time.
my experience has been that too far away from the mic makes for a noisy track unless your room is really dead.
i use them for recording acoustic guitar too.
16 - 18 inches seems about right for that application.
the c3000 has a high-mid spike that works nice for some voices, a-guitar, and URB.

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I seem to get really clear, present vocals with my SP B1 at about 12 inches using a groove tube pop filter and the diaphragm at 45 degrees to the singer. The mic capsule is at the level of the singer's mouth. It may sound strange but I really strive to adjust the gain on the pre to minipulate the size of the cardioid pattern in an attempt to optimize S:N.


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Cinda,

I use a studio valve condensor and set up the pop screen to keep me a minimum 6" from the mic. Even then I still have problems with plosives (B,P,J). I used to set the mike up higher to make me reach up and open my throat but I found I can get voice liquid noises (yuk). I now set it up at mouth height and turn slightly sideways for the plosives. If you "kiss" the pop screen for the softer passages you get a bass boost for a more intimate sound. I always record with a small amount of compression going in to even the sound. Hope this helps.


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I've got the same mic Cinda, I've noticed that I was never happy with my vocals, so I started experimenting this morning, by taking a cd and singing the vocals, just like Karaoke.
I found out that with the mic stand raised up all the way up, and then the boom going diagonally up, I was able to get the best clearest, cleanest sound by not getting up close to the diaphram (middle) of the mic, like I used to do, and instead I had the mic higher than my mouth, so the vocals that I was singing was not hitting the mic directly, but going under it...since it is a cardioid mic, it picks up anything that is in the front/center of the mic.
Try it, and see if that works for you...
Hope That Helps You Cinda.

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MitchM2005 wrote:
I've got the same mic Cinda, I've noticed that I was never happy with my vocals, so I started experimenting this morning, by taking a cd and singing the vocals, just like Karaoke.
I found out that with the mic stand raised up all the way up, and then the boom going diagonally up, I was able to get the best clearest, cleanest sound by not getting up close to the diaphram (middle) of the mic, like I used to do, and instead I had the mic higher than my mouth, so the vocals that I was singing was not hitting the mic directly, but going under it...since it is a cardioid mic, it picks up anything that is in the front/center of the mic.
Try it, and see if that works for you...
Hope That Helps You Cinda.


That's kind of what I noticed as well.

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Hey guys...I was just wondering...with the mic positioned away from the mouth, like how Cinda and I pointed out, do we still need to use a pop filter?

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The pop filter not only protects the condensor from pops, but from spit as well. Always use it or a windscreen over the mic.

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OK thanks DC... :wink:

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Moisture (spittle) is in one of the enemies of a condenser mic. Besides , it makes them smell like old saxophones.

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