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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:39 pm 
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http://www.realbook.us/

I find this site pretty useful to get started on a new song. Not only are there chords for over 500 standard tunes, but you can change the key to anything you want and then listen to the chord progressions. You have to sign up, but it's free.

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There was a website - that I don't recall - that had the the 1st 3 volumes of the Jazz Real Book

I downloaded them and have them on CD somewhere.

I'm pretty sure they were public domain... I'll upload if I find them.

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I'm not sure what the law is regarding public domain. If you use a chord progression from a current, copyrighted song but change the melody to be something entirely different could you still lose your house?

Cin: looks like your gonna get your 1000 posts before 1/1 :) . You go girl :!:

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Aren't all jazz progressions 6-2-5-1?

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Aren't all jazz progressions 6-2-5-1?


Yup, 99.5% jazz tunes follow 6-2-5-1 and I'm sure we are legally safe using them, but then there are maybe a few that progress through all 264 common chords. And then there's really complex classical music where the chord progression becomes sort of an integral part of the melody.

Any lawyer's out there :?: :roll: I don't wanna lose my house!

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You can't copyright chord progressions or titles; only lyrics and/or melody.

If you could copyright chord progressions, there'd be only a few blues and R&R tunes. :)

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You can't copyright chord progressions or titles


Whew! thanks for the info. I'm really ignorant about legal stuff. :oops:

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You can't copyright chord progressions or titles


Whew! thanks for the info. I'm really ignorant about legal stuff. :oops:


Everyone steals from everyone else... just a little bit.

I think the main thing is that people just want to get paid for their hard work instead of having others get paid for their work.

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I've learned a good handful of cool songs from the Real Book volumes 1 and 2 over the years. My life would be less complete if I never learned the likes of the Flintstones Theme Song. 8)

Gotta be careful, though. The Real Books are not known for being rigorously edited for accuracy. Sometimes you try and learn a song that you know well by ear, and run across a chord that just can't possibly be right. Still, a great resource.


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Published music was often in a key other than it was recorded in, that's for sure. Having an occasion bum chord doesn't surprise me either.

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i almost ruined christmas one year by responding to my dad's request to do some caroling. i downloaded some really difficult chord charts that had a chord for every word of jingle bells for example, and i insisted on hammering through it. frustrated everyone. my drummer brother finally took over and comped by ear and a wasseling we went.

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What a hoot, it will even give you the option of playing the changes in "Key" mode, too cool. I love the Real Book, the manual meister turned me on to it many years ago which fueled an ongoing interest in Jobim tunes. Thanks for the tip Cajunator.


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mcnewsxp wrote:
i almost ruined christmas one year by responding to my dad's request to do some caroling. i downloaded some really difficult chord charts that had a chord for every word of jingle bells for example, and i insisted on hammering through it. frustrated everyone. my drummer brother finally took over and comped by ear and a wasseling we went.


Isn't it amazing how one can get locked onto something and quickly lose the big picture. I've done that, and it became apparent to everyone but me that I was doing it. Then, when I realized it, it actually felt like a "Challange" that HAD to be met, further removing me from the big picture, but tapping in to every stubborn facet of my personality. Ah well, thank goodness for drummer brothers and the like.

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Mr. Bill wrote:
I love the Real Book, the manual meister turned me on to it many years ago which fueled an ongoing interest in Jobim tunes.


And in return, Mr. Bill presented me with a Jobim anthology which I treasure to this day - it is one of the reasons I have learned to take the Real Book with a grain of salt. That and the real sheet music to Take 5 that he gave me some 20+ years ago. 8)

I had a most similar experience with the Christmas carol book to Mac's. My mom bought me one years ago to accompany everyone at the annual family bash. I struggled mightily with all the chord changes. My Uncle grabbed my guitar and managed to wade through a good number of carols with G, C and D chords. I went home and crossed out three forths of the chords in the book, and was left with G, C and D chords (and a few A7s). Worked a charm. Go figure. :lol:


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I only have a sister. Besides that, not seeing the big picture runs in the family.

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Christmas tunes facinate me in that you either play them the easy way or the difficult way. I kinda use Jonny's method of crossing out every other chord. Just leave a few tasty 7th and diminished chords in there and you're all set. One that you can't take short-cuts on is that damned Mel Torme song. :x :)


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damned Mel Torme song


a chord for every syllable - and then some.......!

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Cin: looks like your gonna get your 1000 posts before 1/1 :) . You go girl :!:[/quote]

Cin is a girl ?? Oops remember making a comment about the cool avatar :oops:

No offense , will be on best behavior from now on.

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THE REAL BOOK often does not contain the "standard" or original chords in many standards such as you would find in a book called RED BOOK #1. If it is more of a jazz tune like say ALL BLUES, BLUE N GREEN, it probably is right. A song like GIRL FROM IPANEMA is reharmonized as are MANY others. So in most cases it's "wrong" if you consider it not the original, but the chords work pretty well and often contain "substitution" or "transition" chords.

I was at Berklee in Boston and knew the two guys that put this together. IT IS NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN. IT IS A VIOLATION OF COPYRIGHTS ON MOST SONGS! Before 1978, copyright term WAS 78 years, then later changed to "life of the composer plus 50 years", unlike most of the rest of the world which is 75 years. Copyright agreements come from THE BERN CONVENTION and nations agree to terms, but are not always legally bound to them. i.e. CHINA does not belong!

Chord progressions or HIGHLY distinctive "riffs"can be a violation of rights in RARE instances, where the connotation is so heavy related with an unusal song, such as the David Bowie tune which was sampled -- the riff WAS the song. It usually it has to be more then 4 bars of similarity.

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anybody got a piano score for linus and lucy?

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