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Have you ever seen the Brian Eno project/software "Koan Pro" (http://www.sseyo.com)?

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Have you ever seen the Brian Eno project/software "Koan Pro"


I visited the Koan Pro web site and was very impressed by the product. Looks like it will do anything imaginable musically including using random controlled algorithms to generate ambiant music. Cool. I don't think I'll ever be motivated enough to do something like that -- I'm just an experimenter looking for a challenge. And I've sure got a lot to learn. But I'm learning a lot about music and having fun doing it. The programming is easy, finding the right algorithms is a lot more difficult.

Have you ever used Koan Pro?. If I do ever manage to create an app that comes anything close to it, I'll need some technology to make midi not sound so mechanical. And I sure don't wanna spend a lot of green to do it. What's out there to fix midi? I'm really ignorant.

Here's the last tune for today. I added a 3rd track with church organ.

http://bengalrecords.com/MIDI/comp3c.mid

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> Have you ever used Koan Pro?.

Yup, and it's strangely addictive. And each tune is different everytime you play it. Which makes it a bit odd to record it, which is why they have alittle playing that's a browser plugin, everyone who listens to one of your tracks hears something slightly different.

You can listen to some sample songs here:

http://www.sseyo.com/products/webapps/EZKoan/index.html

after downloading the plugin here:

http://www.sseyo.com/products/plugin/index.html

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You can listen to some sample songs here
Yeeaaaa. very cool stuff. Some great patches. 8)

I made a few tweaks to the note duration scripts & rules and used Celesta and Warm Pad on this one:

http://bengalrecords.com/MIDI/comp4i.mid

I think it would be a good background for a Preparation H or headache medicine ad or maybe a RotoRooter ad :wink:

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A little success is de work of de debul. Now I'm hooked. No time to even drink a beer or two. My wife hasn't seen me for days. But at least now I'm encouraged by the percussion track. This is not a loop. All generated by de cmputer. While yer laughing or puking, let me just say, I at least got the accordion in there. Not quite Cajun yet, but in a few years, come back to this thread and i'll show ya somethin' like Cajun.

I miss jammin with our guys in the band playing real music, but they all live 50 miles away :cry: except for my son Jim. We are playing May 4th at Los Arrieros: 7926 Georgia Ave., Silver Spring, MD 20910. If you're in the neighborhood come on out and put yer dancin' shoes on. There's some good Latin food there. And Jim is the best Cajun accordion player north of Louisiana.

Anyhow, this is my latest creation, or whatever, generated in 2 seconds and tweaked with Cakewalk 3.0, only to delete a few measures and change the volume and velocity of some tracks. Oh gawd, I hear the groans. It's still pretty monotonous, got to get rid of the flute. I reverted to using some controlled random note durations rather than scripts. That seemed to help a little.

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http://bengalrecords.com/MIDI/comp9e.mid

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Ha! I found the resources on the web I'm looking for and just ordered "Machine Musicianship" from Amazon.

Here's the link if anyone's interested. And there are lots more links and resources from here to check out:

http://www.it.rit.edu/~jab/GenJam.html

This is truly amazing. The author, Al Biles, is a musician (plays jazz trumpet) and created the GenJam program - a virtual combo, that ad libs to his lead trumpet playing in real time. Here's an example:

http://www.it.rit.edu/~jab/GenStuds042/Jeru.mp3

Now I will take a long break, study, do some more experimenting and hopefully come back later with something that sounds like "real" music.

Maybe Cajun?? :roll: :roll:

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Here's something new and very strange. 45 minutes of computer generated ...... call it whatever ya want. :wink:

http://bengalrecords.com/MIDI/wierdstuff.mid

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Pretty cool. How much are you actually involved in the proceess. I can certainly see where song ideas could be gleaned from this . It kinda grows on you listening to it. I did last 10 minutes before I started fast forwarding.

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Thanks for the kind words m....

The only thing I do after running the program is to adjust the pan and volumes of each MIDI track with Cakewalk. I'll also usually delete a few measures of one or more tracks at the beginning so that anyone listening isn't instantly barraged with 6 tracks of what my boys call "elevator music". (I must be making progress...they used to call it lots of other names I can't mention :) )

The biggest challenge now is to adjust the music structurally so that it's not so monotonous (as you and many others have noticed) and to parameterize a lot of hard coded elements in the program. I still have a long way to go to improve the thing but to me that's a lot of fun when there's no one around to jam with. Fortunately I still play real music pretty often since my son the accordion player comes over about 2 or 3 times a week.

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