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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:33 am 
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Although these last two chords fall into the basic triad catagorie, I've looked at them as a bit more than basic and wanted to save them until after the extended chords were in place.

So far, our basic triads have included a major and minor structure. Three notes, a root, a 3rd and a 5th. The only alteration that we had to make between the major and minor or a triad was to flatten our 3rd.

Remember a Cmajor is C - E - G and a Cm is C - Eb - G.

So basically, what's left?

Two more basic triads. The Augmented and the Diminished triads.

As you recall, we can use our interval 'map' to help us in building chords. And a look back at it reminds us that whenever we 'sharpen' or raise a perfect interval (4th or 5th) by one semitone, we get an Augmented interval. Likewise, when we 'flatten' or lower our perfect intervals by one semitone, we get a diminished interval.

Since our basic triads include a perfect 5th, we can apply this concept to the triads and get new chords! Let's keep this in C and C what we get!

Ok, if we want a basic C augmented triad, let's take our notes C -E -G and sharpen the 5th by one semitone (our G to G#). We end up with C - E - G# as our new and improved Caug triad.

Our diminished triad has a bit more to it. To get our diminished triad we must ALSO flatten our 3rd as well as our perfect 5th. So, in our key of C, we get a C- Eb (flat 3rd) - Gb (diminished fifth).

A diminished triad is very difficult to play on guitar and really calls out for another note. However, theory wise, those three notes are the make up for it's triad shape.

So far, we've built our chords using a formula and applying it to a scale.

To visually see how the basic triads compare to eachother, let's take a look at the process of 'Stacking Thirds'. That is, in fact what we have done so far.

To build a basic major triad we took a root and stacked (added) a major third then we added a minor third. Huh, you said a major chord Dave!

I sure did, but if you look at a scale, the difference or interval between a major 3rd and a perfect 5th is a MINOR THIRD. Look at a C major scale and the intervals from the root C, and from the scale note below each):

C - root
D - major 2nd (2 semitones from root C)
E - major 3rd (4 semitones from root C & 2 semitones from D)
F -perfect 4th (5 semitones from C, but 1 semitone from E)
G - perfect 5th (7 semitones from C & 2 semitones from F)
A - major 6th (9 semitones from C & 2 semitones from G)
B - Major 7th (11 semitones from C & 2 semitones from A)

Ok, when we say stacking thirds, each note is a third (major or minor) from the chord note prior to it, not necessarily the root.

In C, the G note is a perfect 5th interval from C, but it is only 3 semitones from the note E (which is our major 3rd of this chord). So, the distance of 3 semitones apart is equal to a Minor Third. Remember, we are talking about the distance from notes here.

So, C to E is a Major Third
E to G is a Minor Third.

So, for a major triad we stack a major third and a minor third. (again, we're only talking about the distance from eachother. G is still a perfect 5th from C)

For a basic minor triad we stack a minor third then a major third.

Darn, I can see where this might be confusing, but look at the make-up of a minor triad = root, minor (or flattened) 3rd and a perfect 5th.

So for a minor triad we have to flatten our 3rd. This makes the distance from the third to our perfect 5th 4 semitones or a major third.

In Cm =

C to Eb is a minor third (3 semitones)
Eb to G is a major third (4 semitones)

Ok, starting to make sence. Now let's look at the two new one's that we've learned. Our augmented and diminished.

Well, let's count the distances and see how they are stacked.

C aug = C - E - G#

Our C to E is a major third distance (4 semitones)
Our E to G# is also a major third distance (4 semitones)

Hey, makes sence too.

Ok, then our C diminished which is C - Eb - Gb would be:

C to Eb is a minor third (3 semitones)
Eb to Gb is also a minor third (3 semitones)

So let's put our 4 basic triads into a stacking array:

Major triad is:

Root - stack major third - stack minor third

Minor triad is:

Root - stack minor third - stack major third

Our Augmented triad is:

Root - stack major third - stack major third

And our Dimented Diminished triad is:

Root - stack minor third - stack minor third

So with our three note Triads, our Root being our first note, we have covered all possiblities of stacking either a Major or Minor third afterwards. This gives us our Basic Triad Chord Group.

There are many other types of chords than we have discussed in our series, but I wanted to cover the basics of building chords from a triad to some extended chords. Voicing's can also make a world of difference as can some of the other notes that we can throw into making a strange and wonderfull chord.

By getting these ideas down, you will be well on your way to constructing your own chords and getting a firm grasp on a major aspect of music theory.

Enjoy.

(I'm kinda tired so I hope I got this all correct!!!)


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Hmmm... chords? Offensive?

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Long story made short: When SirN left, he decided to take his knowledge with him. A pity really, as there was quite some info to be found in his theory threads.

...and he himself wasn't shabby either :wink: .

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I like SirN and miss him. And a couple of others.

I could put the posts back from the backups. :D

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Robbie wrote:
I like SirN and miss him. And a couple of others.


Seconded from the bottom of my heart!

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Funny I was sluething on HR,Com last night and Cinda would definately not care for 90% of his posts. I won't elaborate any further.

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mrskygod wrote:
Funny I was sluething on HR,Com last night and Cinda would definately not care for 90% of his posts. I won't elaborate any further.

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Probably more like 87%

I was an ass when I deleted my theory posts, but I recall that I put them back up. Anyway, I'm less of an ass now. Well, sorta.


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I see Dijonstock as a body.

Any healthy body would need an ass. Welcome, Stu. 8)

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Darn good to see you again Robbie!


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Thanks Stu. Right back atcha.

Now what part of the Dijonstock body would I be. The dick, the asshole? Definitely not the balls or the brain.

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I miss you too Stu. You sure opened my eyes on a lot of things here. Thanks.

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The dick, the asshole? Definitely not the balls or the brain.


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I decided I'm not a part of the DijonStocks body. I'm not a body part in the first place.

I must be a mushroom. Everybody keeps me in the dark and feeds me lots of bullshit. :)

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I'm that part that never seems to work the way it should!

Good to see you too Geno.


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This is sooooo cool ! Sir N's back !

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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mrskygod wrote:
This is sooooo cool ! Sir N's back !

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Forget about SirN's back. It's his front side you need to worry about! :mrgreen: :wink:

Hey!

Does anyone remember the "Who Am I" thread at AW16G.com?

I remember it. I think Bassoprofundo played regularly too.

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