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 Post subject: HDD issues
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:22 pm 
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Hi there - further G-related weirdness. Although I'm numerically listing the problems I'm having, it's my assumption they're really all the same problem, or at least inter-related.

1. I am unable to run the 'check disk' facility. Every time I try it freezes and crashes, and I have to take that whiskey-face-inducing step of turning it off at the back without going through shutdown.

2. There's this one song in the songlist that can't be deleted - try and it just sits there looking at you. Try and load it up? Again with the crashing and the freezing and the turning off with the unattractive face-pulling and the not liking it.

3. Going through the list of older songs on the disk, I've noticed a few of them seem to have aquired random scatterings of funny little chunks of the latest project I've been working on, creating an overall effect reminiscent of some of the more opaque examples of late-period Frank Zappa.

4. Not that I couldn't suck it in and live with the first three if I really tried, but it's just that the level of disk fragmentation this implies has now, it seems, also begun to have a negative impact on the audio quality of song data transferred using edit operations, such as 'copy' and 'move'.


Basically it seems like the disk (probably) wants reformatting - the problem is I'm terrified of doing this; given it can't get through a simple CHKDSK operation, what if it should similarly lock or freeze up whilst half-way through formatting the hard drive? Basically, I'm left with a very fetching bush-button-gothic door-stop?

Any suggestions kindly appreciated.



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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:45 pm 
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Greetings. I have had the one song won't backup problem, but not the one song won't delete problem.

I'm not technical by nature, but from what you're typing, it sounds like a nice fresh reformat is in order. This is painless and really does give you back a new recorder. I removed all but one song from my old G (cause the bastage wouldn't come off), reformatted it before I sold it, and it worked like new. Whether you have the disks on hand or not, you can reformat and the unit will work perfect save for the demo song (which is the problem from hell IMPO), and the sample library files.

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:48 pm 
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Hi Nick, as you say, it's probably one and the same problem. The software of the G doesn't know too well how to handle move commands, there's a big chance of ruining the file system of at least that song, which makes your HD freeze.

Format the HD. It takes about 5 seconds and you'll have a fresh system.

While working on projects, avoid the move command, especially when source and target overlap in time. Take your time pushing the buttons. Save often, optimize often (optimize also only lives up to half the promises by the way). Make backups of your projects, the G is not for archiving (I've seen grown men cry). And, every few projects, reformat the HD. It's nothing more than common sense to make this part of periodic maintenance.

If formatting creates a new problem, don't worry. The next step is downloading the latest OS and put that in the machine.

Oh, hi Ron :wave:

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:50 pm 
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Hi Robbie. :-"

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:53 pm 
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Yep. Format and don't worry. In the unlikely case that the format won't work, putting a new OS is not that difficult and the loading is handled by a sub system. Not the OS itself. It has to be since the OS is rewritten. After that the format will surely work. And even If your harddisk is faulty, again, no problem. We have switched more than one HD. We'll fix it.

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:29 pm 
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Thanks for this, guys. Will have a crack at the reformat as soon as I have a chance to back everything up.

Can I also back up and restore the sample library? I mean I've never had occasion to use it 'til now, but you never know...

And: will the upgrade .bin file I've already downloaded from this fine site be sufficient for a recovery should the reformat fail?

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:42 pm 
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Rebootnik1 wrote:
Can I also back up and restore the sample library?


Yes you can. If you havethe Tools cd that came with the machine, all of the factory samples are on there. If not (or if you creted some of your own) you can back them up yourself.

I agree that a format is in order here.


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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:58 pm 
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Thank you. As I probably should've specified from the beginning, I do not have the tools disk; this is why I'm the slightest bit antsy about running the reformat as currently I don't have any means of system recovery. However, the advice about the sample library is much appreciated :)


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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:23 pm 
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Rebootnik1 wrote:
Thank you. As I probably should've specified from the beginning, I do not have the tools disk; this is why I'm the slightest bit antsy about running the reformat as currently I don't have any means of system recovery. However, the advice about the sample library is much appreciated :)


Again, not really a problem. I have provided the contents of the cd to Robbie. I know he ment to put it on the docs page. (it isn't there, don't search) If you ask Robbie i'm sure he'll find a way to make it availlable.
Keep smiling ... :)

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:34 pm 
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It must be there somewhere... :oops:

That :oops: is... :oops: it :oops: should :oops: be :oops: :oops:

It is no problem. Just reformat the disk and you'll have a fresh machine that is ready to go. You will lose the samples, but I don't know very many people that actually use those samples.

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:12 pm 
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I could upload it again of course...

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
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What is the filename? I'll probably have it here somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:30 pm 
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it should be called AW_00000.16G and i probably zipped it. i remember it being a 300 +MB file.

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
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I'll look it up tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:12 pm 
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No joy?


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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
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I knew someone else was waiting for it, too. Sorry to have kept you waiting.

http://www.dijonstock.com/aw16g_tools_disk.rar

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 Post subject: Re: HDD issues
PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:14 pm 
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